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Re: Fried Digispark
« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2013, 01:11:26 am »
hotplate/oven controller! brilliant! does that include stuff to interface thermocouple temperature sensors? It sure would be neat if you could buy everything you need to convert a little toaster oven in to a reflow oven, or make a DIY PCR thermal cycler, from, say, a hair dryer and a bucket of ice and bits from the digistump store!



Screw terminal shield and programming tool sound rather snazzy too. This is the one which can do HVSP?

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Re: Fried Digispark
« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2013, 09:50:02 am »
programming tool is just the usb inline on-off switch (with poly fuse)


HVSP programmer is in the works too, forgot that one.


hotplate/oven controller will be thermocouple hardware with a screw terminal to connect one and a transistor with screw terminals for its load to control an SSR - add an LCD and you have a hotplate/oven control/etc setup

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Re: Fried Digispark
« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2013, 06:47:14 pm »
I'm really excited about this! Neat!

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Re: Fried Digispark
« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2013, 08:38:43 pm »
An 'inline' programming tool sounds great.  Using a polyfuse could be a challenge - I have seen the frustrations it caused with the Raspberry Pi:

http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/tag/polyfuses
http://elinux.org/RPi_Hardware

It was such a problem, they took them out all together in subsequent versions.  Particularly frustrating for users when trying to implement a USB hub for power.


It would be nice if you incorporated some flexible tubing into the programming tool, this would make it easy to see, and work with, an attached digispark.

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/225058048/white_flexible_metal_gooseneck_for_LED.html

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Re: Fried Digispark
« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2013, 05:58:31 am »
The things which caused trouble for raspberry pi users with polyfuses do not affect the digispark. Polyfuses are reliable good devices used widely. They trip frequently on raspberry pi's because of the dodgy ways people like to power those devices, wiring USB networks recursively... Normally there is no issue - the USB ports in your computer all have polyfuses on their power supplies.

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Re: Fried Digispark
« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2013, 01:49:14 pm »
I am bit concerned with the polyfuse idea about having another voltage drop of about 0.5v which would take it out of spec - continuing to look into possibilities there.

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Re: Fried Digispark
« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2013, 07:13:28 pm »
A polyfuse isn't a silicon device like a diode or transistor, so it shouldn't have a fixed 0.5v drop? It's just a glorified thermistor, which is itself a glorified resistor, so if there is a voltage drop, it should vary with current use, and hopefully be very small right up until 500ma or whatever, where the resistance shoots through the roof.

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Re: Fried Digispark
« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2013, 07:47:10 pm »
I'm seeing most as having 2-3 ohms resistance around 100ma

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Re: Fried Digispark
« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2013, 02:23:26 am »
One of the big issues around the Pi supply problems, was that an assumption was made that the Phone chargers met the USB standards.
If you dropped below 4.8v on the 5v rail, the video stopped.

The reality was these were a nominal 5v supply used to provide a charging source for a 3.6v battery, and many were below the USB spec.
Coupled with the additional voltage drop across the Polyfuse, some had issues.

The relatively low rating of the Polyfuse that supplied the USB, also resulted in non compliant USB outlets.

Despite the Open Source the actual hardware design wasn't released, but it was confirmed that the GPIO and USB, had insufficent track widths to support higher currents direct to the 5v supply rail, so there were the odd parallel supply designs bandied about.



The other problem was that many people assumed that once the load was removed, the polyfuse was happiness filled and reset itself ....WRONG
It uses heat to trigger the high resistance and needs to cool down over a period of time (hours in some cases).
Hence after triggering it, people didn't wait, and the problems were compounded.

This is not their fault, and the instruction book was ....

 
A polyfuse is going to provide protection, but the silicon devices are still usually quicker.
(Just like the dropped drink about to land on the carpet ...gravity is nearly always faster ..especially if its red, and the carpet is light coloured)


Inline tool.
I personally wonder if having an optional USB connector board, that includes the zeners, resistors, pullup and a protection device (along with a real USB plug) might be an alternative construction approach. I know that there are a few designs that use slightly offset pins on the programmer to allow programming without fitting a socket on the 'host'.

This design may allow the use of thinner PCB's rather than the thick version required for the USB connection, and removes the need for gold ...



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